Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZX Spectrum +3 character set
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Merging or renaming can be discussed elsewhere. SoWhy 08:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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Non-notable character set. Unreferenced. Natg 19 (talk) 23:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages because they are non-notable character set articles created by the same user:
- ARIB STD B24 character set (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
@KAP03: who nominated other character set articles by this user.
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 23:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to ZX Spectrum character set Andy Dingley (talk) 21:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep [EDIT: and Rename -- see below]
or mergeinto ZX Spectrum character set. All character sets of mass-produced computers and devices (and those of influential solitaire computers like of the main-frame area) are important to be documented and relevant for computer historical research and to develop conversion tables to modern character sets like Unicode for data/program transfer, therefore it is very important to preserve such information. In this case, we already have an article on other Sinclair Spectrum character sets, so it makes sense to merge this article into that main article, however, I would also find a separate article justified if there would be a strong reason to keep it in a separate article. One such reason could be that at present the article only documents the character set variant for "Language 0", but there have been variants for other hardware languages as well, which will certainly be added over time. Also, in contrast to the nominator's claim, the article wasn't unreferenced at the time of nomination (in fact it was well documented from the typescript of the former user manual). --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC) - Comment. Having looked into it a bit more (and added some to the article), the Spectrum +3 character sets are so radically different from the other Spectrum character sets, that I think, they deserve their own page and merging them into the existing Spectrum character set article should only be considered as a "last resort" measure. In fact, the character set looks so orderly, that it is quite possible, that it is derived from some more generic character set support concept in some versions of Digital Research's CP/M Plus (although I can't remember a LANGUAGE command right now). If so, this would sky-rocket its relevance. It might also have been supported in other localized CP/M machines as well. If that would turn out to be true, more links for CP/M related articles to this one would be added (and it would be odd to point them to a generic Spectrum character set article, as the other Spectrum computers could not run CP/M), and the article could possibly be renamed into something like "CP/M Plus character set" or so later on, but this is something that needs further research and does not directly affect this AfD, except for that it underlines that this character set is relevant to be kept in Wikipedia, and ideally as a separate article. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- After some more research, I have changed my vote above to "Keep and rename" for the following reason: This character set is actually used by Amstrads/Locomotive Software's adaptation of Digital Research's CP/M Plus on more systems of the Amstrad CPC / Schneider CPC and the Amstrad PCW / Schneider Joyce series (including PCW 8000, PCW 9256, PCW 10, PCW 9512, PCW 9512+) as well as on the Amstrad ZX Spectrum +3, plus various OEM machines. It was also used by LocoScript. In documentation and in the net I found various alternative names for it: PCW character set, Amstrad PCW character set, CP/M Plus character set and Amstrad CP/M Plus character set. Notability is therefore clearly given. However, I suggest to rename the article to Amstrad CP/M Plus character set. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep ARIB STD B24 character set. This is obscure, as it's a Japanese-market character set hosted on an English language wikipedia. Yet ARIB is the relevant international standards body, and if they've defined this, and it's used (and it is!), then it's notable. It's even mentioned, in an upcoming announcement, in the Pufferfish CJKV book, and that's truly ancient now. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:42, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:42, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- Keep both ARIB STD B24 character set and OMS encoding. For the same reason already stated, character sets are highly relevant information for an encyclopedia and notable. While I am not familiar with these particular character sets, the fact, that an ARIB standard and a TeX implementation exists indicates already that they were important enough in some environments in the past, so it is our obligation (and should be our joy) to preserve the information for generations to come. Both articles even have references. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. I just looked it up. OMS is a standard TeX encoding for variable size math symbols. It was developed by Donald E. Knuth, the inventor of TeX. Documented in the TEXbook and various other places. Added ref to article. Not notable, huh? The nominator should be warned for not doing his homework before nominating articles for deletion. This is not only careless, it is destructive and this attitude drives contributing editors away from the project. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 11:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- The nominator has gone through the creator's whole set of created articles and tagged them all. Some, like this, they've even snuck in as additions to someone else's unrelated AfD so that they don't show up. But when I raised this at another of their similar AfDs, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CPC character set, it just had an admin close the AfD seconds later as delete. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Sorry, for not doing the before work on this, but it seemed to me that these characters sets were not notable, and the information was not helpful with just the character set table. As to Andy Dingley's point, I did not nominate the CPC character set article - that was a a different user. Natg 19 (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.